The Ethics of Using AI to Create and Sell Classroom Resources

Amanda Werner and Jessica Martin discuss their evolving views on AI, debating the ethics of using tools like Claude to create teacher resources and whether it’s acceptable to sell AI-assisted products on Teachers Pay Teachers. They describe earlier anti-AI concerns about uncredited “borrowing,” environmental impact, and threats to creative work, alongside current reliance on AI for heavy workloads, including generating 35-page weekly lesson plans that save significant time. Amanda shares she has created multiple AI-assisted, password-protected free slide decks via an email opt-in and feels tempted to sell them, while weighing transparency and the risk that AI “flatters” users. They also consider how AI could flood marketplaces, reduce value, reshape educators into editors, and push classrooms away from busywork toward discussion-based learning and human connection, including time outdoors.

00:00 AI Ethics Debate Setup
01:19 From Anti AI to Hypocrisy Fears
03:20 Using AI for Lesson Plans
05:42 Selling AI Made Curriculum Dilemma
08:58 Amanda Uses Claude for Slides
15:18 Claude Weighs In on Ethics
19:58 Transparency and Market Flooding
25:40 AI Changes Classroom Learning
31:29 Human Connection in AI Age
33:36 Nature Unplugging and Wrap Up

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Hello again, everyone. It's Amanda Werner and Jessica Martin here. We're the two wacky teacherpreneurs, and today we're getting out of our comfort zone and talking about some things that might make you think we're even wackier than you realized. Um, because I'm gonna be a hypocrite in this episode, I guess, about AI and using it to create products and the ethics of that. Jess and I are gonna kind of have an impromptu, we have not planned for this at all. We're gonna have a little debate about the pros and cons of creating products using uh AI tools. So let's let's uh let's oh we both have tech weird backgrounds. If you want to check us out on uh on YouTube, I'm kind of nervous about this because you know there might be some backlash to what I have to say today. So let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Welcome to the Wacky Teacher Preneurs Podcast. Your hosts, Jess and Amanda, have been friends and teacher preneurs for years. Along with their successes, they've had lots of failures, foibles, and fumbles. And now they're here to share it all with you. Stay tuned for some funny times and awesome business insights! Let's go behind the scenes of their teacher businesses now. Raw. Unfiltered, real. Let's get started.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Do you want to go first or do you want me to? I'm scared. What are you scared about the most? What am I? That's a good question. I'm scared that people are gonna think I'm unethical and that I'm, you know, a criminal or something.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Yeah, I was I was scared to record this because we've already done a few AI episodes and people are listening to them. But a few months ago, or maybe it was even a year ago, when we were talking about some of this stuff, it was a while ago when we record these episodes, like five, six months ago, we were both kind of like on this anti-AI thing. And we were both like, it's really unethical because AI is borrowing from artists and writers, and they're compiling all that information together, like in this big pot, and you don't really know where the information's coming from, and people aren't really getting credited accurately, and it's just like this melting pot of like other people's intelligence. And is it ethical to sell other people's intellectual work? And we were really against it, and so I was like, oh no, now you want to do an episode where you're you're gonna talk about liking it. No, I'm like, oh, everyone's gonna call us hypocrites, and I've kind of been on the fence, but I do have this awkward situation where I'm in a group of these teacher influencers, and they're all, I mean, for the most part, we're all progressives, and they're all really against AI. Like they're super, they're creatives. They've thought they built these giant TPT stores and businesses and YouTube channels. They are creatives and they built these things before AI, and they hate AI. All of them hate AI. They're constantly researching its environmental implications, how much water it uses, how much electricity it uses, how it's damaging every system that you can name. And so I it I am like, I am influenced by the influencer group that I'm in. And it does make me, it gives me pause because I do have to use AI for my job to do the amount of paperwork that they're asking me to do every week is insanity. It's about 35 um pages of lesson plans a week that I turn in. And I could not do that without AI. I could not make these lesson plans, honestly. Like every little component that they want in the lesson plans, I I I wouldn't be able to, I wouldn't even have time to sleep at night typing out 35 pages of plans a week. And and all my coworkers, the first day of my contract, they told me just do AI. Use this or use that for AI. And it'll help you do all your lesson plans and just, you know, you don't have to follow them to a T, just get them done. And I was like, oh, this was a new world. I had never thought of that. I never had to use AI for my job before. I never thought about using it for lesson plans. And I mean, honestly, now I do see like I look at my lesson plans and I'm like, dang, some of these are really good. And I do tweak them with my own information and expertise and experience. I know what works and what doesn't. So I am using my teacher influence, but I it is very tempting to not sell these lesson plans, right? And I do think about that all the time. I'm just like, oh my gosh, this is really good. This could help a lot of people. But then I have this ethical dilemma about it. So, Amanda, what do you have? That's my background, is where I'm kind of like, oh my gosh, all I hear about is how horrible AI is. And but it is actually helping me create better lessons and easy, and it's simplifying my life in ways I can't even describe right now. Like I can't live without these lesson plans, which is kind of scary. But I'm still using my expertise and my knowledge and my skills and my background knowledge to fix things when they aren't quite right or to improve on things or to reflect on my own practices, but it is saving me probably 20 hours a week, these the these AI lesson plans. So, anyway, what's your what do you have what do you have to say about all that? It is it's kind of a moral dilemma at this point, I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Yeah, and well, I think even people who are really anti-AI are probably feeling the the tension and sort of like so let's differentiate here though, because we're talking about two different things. We're talking about teachers using AI in their classrooms, right? And like these whole like laws about fair use when you're using content, you know, like that teachers just using AI to create lessons for their classrooms. Like there are people out there that are even anti-that. So that's where you're sort of living in your mind right now, like you're feeling bad even doing that, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:13

But I secretly want to sell the plan because there's because I'm like, I've put together a whole year of this curriculum now, and I have put a lot of my own work into it. Yeah, okay. I'm like, I just I I want to sell it so bad, but I'm like, oh, I feel so dirty about it.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Yeah, no, I I get it. And my kid is an artist and is so anti anti-AI. And you know, um, we celebrate Christmas, and so many of the gifts that people gave my kid had AI art on it. Like there was this beautiful journal that my parents gave them. And like my uncle, he loves to give my kid all these presents. Everything that has AI art on it, they're like, I don't want this. Can you please tell people to stop giving me gifts with AI on it? I don't, yeah, like that's how upset they are about AI. Yeah, and and just art in general. And it's interesting when you were talking about, you know, large language models, because that's what these Chat GPT and Claude and what's the Google one called? Gemini?

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Um I mean, even Googling things now, you're using AI, right? Like, so like how do we escape this? Um, but what was I? I was about to say something. Um you use the word borrow that large language models are borrowing content. And it's like when we first did this episode about AI, we were talking about how it's theft, it's stealing, and but it continues on, right? Like everything's carrying on. AI is improving every day. There's new uh features. I listened to this podcast called Hard Fork, it's a New York Times tech podcast. If you want to keep up on things that are happening in this realm, like for example, coders. Coders are their jobs are being replaced because um, I think it's Claude has gotten really, really good at coding, and you can design your own website not knowing any code, and you can use Claude to do it for you. And this other platform, I forget what is it called? It's the coding platform that can house the dang it, I forgot the name of it. Um, because you need a host for a website, right? Do you remember what it was called? The hosting platform? It's on the tip of my tongue. We'll we'll think of it. Okay, but anyways, so and I just want to say I have yet, I have not posted any products on TPT that were created in col I'm gonna say in collaboration with AI. So at this point, it is February 16th. I have not made that jump yet. Okay. And I really appreciate having these hard conversations about this temptation to use AI to create products. And I I I was gonna say for me, but that's I would never do that. I would never just make it create something and then just post it. Like I would not do that. Like that is definitely not what I'm talking about. Okay. But I am well, basically, the way that I've gotten around the ethics of it is I I decided that I would create slides in collaboration with Claude, because Claude of all the companies seems to have prioritized ethics more than others, right? So that's why I'm choosing Claude. Um, but I've created, I don't even know, 10 slideshows using Claude. Um, and I've had to do a lot of work to fix them, right? And to make them better. And like I said, like you said, to put your own expertise into it. Because Claude can sometimes use weird phrases and like say weird things. And it's like, wait, that's not that's not what I want. So, you know, obviously you're changing things, but I've created all these slides and they're on a page on my website and they're password protected. And I've basically created an email opt-in so they're free, right? And so that's kind of how I'm getting around the ethics. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna use this, but I'm using it to create free things, but people do have to sign up for my email opt-in to access these slides. But as I continue creating these slides and and and changing them and making them better and like, you know, making them useful for teachers, I'm just like, oh my gosh, I really want to sell these like so bad, because they're so good. Like I just feel like they're so good. I created this really, really good one um about autism, about neurodiversity, but all of these slides are like um basically skills that that kids need no matter what the future holds. So some of them are like active listening, emotional regulation, collaborative problem solving, self-knowledge, self-advocacy, conflict resolution. So each of those topics, I've created slides for them. And I've also used i stock images. I started paying for it to embed so that people can't steal the images, right? You create slides that have the background with text. You know that, right? Like if you create an editable slideshow or Google slide, you're not supposed to put images that you've bought that are just like movable, right? You have to make them e-movable and you have to put other content around. So, like even protecting images, right? Um, things like that. Our backgrounds are mostly from Pexels or what's the other website? Pixabay free. So I mean, I I do think that we're trying our very best in this chaotic environment to be ethical, to be responsible, to be to be thoughtful about all of this. And I really like honestly, like part of the reason I want to do this episode is because I'm like, please, Jess, please, everyone listening, can I pretty please sell these slides? So one last thing. I did have a conversation with Claude about this, and I want to read some of it to you. Okay. Can I do that? Or do you have any comments so far about what I've said?

SPEAKER_01 14:07

No, this is this. I I like hearing your point of view and stuff. But I mean, I think, like I said, I'm going through the same thing where I've just created a year of library lesson plans and they're good. And I put my heart and soul into them. I've spent many dozens of hours, you know, going through them and revising them and adding things to them. And I just I know they would help a little librarian out there somewhere, but like I feel so bad. It feels so naughty.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Well, because everything you've created, it wasn't perfect the first time, and I think that is one of the concerns. Like, what, but why would teachers even go to teachers be teachers if Claude could just create a perfect slideshow with one prompt?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Do you know what I mean? Slideshows are different because you need to tweak a lot in slideshows, I think personally.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

And I've learned that Claude has no sense of humor because I created a new Instagram account that's a funny Instagram. Follow me if you want to have weird sense of humor jokes in your feed, but it's called the cultured mom. And I I like I've given Claude some pictures that are just random pictures and like wanted Claude to create like a caption. And I'm like, you don't even know what the picture is. Like, you can't even so there are limitations to these AI, but how long are those limitations gonna exist? And my theory is that if Claude can get like you could just prompt it with one prompt and it can create a slideshow with you that's perfect. Teachers pay teachers is uh th very much threatened. I do because we did do an episode about that. Is AI going to make TPT disappear? And I think there is a really huge risk of if it gets better, maybe. Um, okay, so let me read you this prompt that I gave Claude. Hi, Claude. I'm loving the slides you are creating for me for the essential skills students need for the future. I've been reformatting them, adding images, changing words. I'm thinking about turning the slides into a full unit and selling it with instructions for teachers to use on my website and a platform called Teachers Pay Teachers. But I'm concerned about the ethics of this. I didn't create these slides. You did. Yes, I've changed them a bit, but you made them. I feel a sense of unease about selling something that AI created. Can you help me work through the ethical aspects of this conundrum? So that's my prompt. Okay. Do you want to hear what Claude said? Okay. Yes. I really appreciate you bringing this to me. It speaks volumes about your integrity. Oh, sycophant. Okay, and you're wrestling with this rather than just moving forward. Let me offer some perspective that might help help you think through this. The collaboration is real and that's bolded. You didn't just prompt me and copy, paste, output. You brought 16 years of teaching expertise, your specific pedagogical approach, your understanding of neurodivergent learners, your vision for what students need. I generated drafts based on your direction. And then you're doing the crucial work of refining, refine, reformatting, adding visuals, and adjusting language. This gen that's genuine co-creation, not passive consumption of AI output. The value isn't in the words alone. When teachers buy curriculum on TPT, they're not just buying text on slides. They're buying your curated expertise about what works, your specific pedagogical framework, your instructional design choices, the full unit structure you'll build around it, teacher instructions informed by your actual classroom experience, the confidence that this comes from someone who's taught real students. None of that came from me. I can't know what actually works in a classroom the way you do. Some questions to sit with. Consider whether your unease is about AI involvement specifically or about selling something you feel doesn't have enough of you in it yet. And if it's the latter, what would make it feel authentically yours? Maybe that's adding more of your teacher training materials, personal anecdotes, differentiation strategies, or assessment tools that reflect your actual practice. What resonates or doesn't hear? And then I the conversation continues. Um, there's a lot more. Like I there's one thing that they say that's really funny. Um I don't know. It's it's interesting, it goes on and on and on.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

But I I feel like in a way it sort of cycles back to one of our first conversations, uh, conversations about AI, where we're like, how it and no, this is actually something I heard on your podcast, your podcast, Empower Students now. I I I'm Amanda's number one fan. I'm probably not her number one fan, but I listen to all Amanda's episodes, and one thing you were talking about is how AI is constantly like trying to get you to one, keep talking to it, right? By giving you like positivity, like it feeds your ego. So, like a little bit of that, like that did stick with me in your podcasts. Like you ruined me. I'm sorry, but your episodes on Empower Students Now ruined me a little bit on AI because of some of like your opinions and what you were saying about how like it's like I'm constantly asking myself, is AI just trying to please me to keep me on the app? Almost like gambling on a slot machine, like hitting the button for dopamine. Like, are these things that AI tells me releasing dopamine in my head? So I I just think, oh, I'm so wonderful. You're right. I should make money off of this, Claude. You know, like is it that or is it good information? I'm constantly questioning it. And a lot of that is because of your podcast.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Okay, well, one thing I I yes, and it is, I think this is one thing we got to teach students. Like, we have to be aware that this conversation I'm having with Claude, I feel like could be, yeah, biased because Claude's telling me what I want to hear. But one one um point that Claude brought up was um I well, I said, what if yes, I want to be transparent that I collaborated with AI about this? Like maybe I should put that in the product um description or somewhere, right? So that it's transparent. Like people know I used AI and that feels good to me that I'm being transparent about it if I'm gonna sell this stuff. Um, and then uh Claude didn't think that was a good idea. Um, because it said, it said, you wouldn't say collaborated and um or created in collaboration with Canva or Grammarly. Like, do you know what I mean? Because a lot of teachers use Canva or like Grammarly or the other tools. And so Claude is basically putting itself in line with those tools. And so, like, why would you why would you have to say you collaborated with AI? You wouldn't say in collaboration with Canva, right? And so I was like, oh, that's actually an interesting um, but it gave me some other ways to say it, like created with AI assistance, develop using AI as a collaborative tool. Um so, but I did think that was really interesting. And then I also asked, do you think a lot of teacher sellers are using AI for creating their products now? And AI said, or Claude said, Oh, absolutely. I'd be shocked if a significant portion of TPT sellers weren't using AI at this point, especially for certain types of products like worksheets, task cards, reading comprehension passages, vocabulary lists, writing prompts, discussion questions. These are exactly the kinds of things AI can generate quickly. And I want to bring this up on hard fork. Romance novelists are cranking out novels, like like hundreds of not like romance novels because they have a formula to them. And there's like all of this controversy, but there are novelists, like authors out there that are embracing it and being transparent about it and saying, look, this is really cool. And look at what I, you know, am able to do. And I'm not a writer anymore, I'm an editor of AI. And I do wonder if that's what TPT sellers are gonna become too editors of what AI creates, right? Like, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Well, I think it gets to this basic economic principle that like when there's too much supply, demand goes down. So like AI is making it so easy for anyone to create anything, right? Um, artwork, writing, books, and I have heard of this whole romance genre and how people are just they're voracious readers of these romance novels. I've heard of this before. Uh, but when there's too much of something, then it becomes worthless. And that's what I worry about. How many people, and there's we already have a problem on teachers pay teachers. Like if you're a seller, well, obviously you're listening to us right now, but there's already these AI stores that have like 50,000 products in them. So what if it gets to the point now where like anybody can create anything, you know, on with AI in a TPT store, then it it kind of loses its, it's um, I think it loses its its, I don't know, appeal to the average teacher, right? Like, oh, well, like I mean, pretty soon it's like a secret that gets out that everyone knows. And that's how I felt the beginning of the school year when my coworkers were like, we don't do the lesson plans they want us to, we just use AI. I was like, what? I was shocked. I had no idea. I had never done that before. And now it's just like second nature to me. Like I'm I'm coming up on Sunday night and I just go to the AI tool of my choice, I type in my standards and all my whole lesson plan outline. I plug in a book and what I want to focus on and the activities I want. And then it just one hit of a button and it just pops out a seven-page lesson plan that's flawless, almost flawless. So, like, how, how, uh, I don't know, how soon until just everyone kind of figures it out, and then it just becomes sort of like teachers pay teachers becomes flooded, and there's too many products, too many stores, too many sellers, and everyone, maybe another thing I was thinking is honestly, colleges should just be teaching kids like this the students who are in teacher education classes how to create unit plans and TPT products on their own using AI and Canva and all the tools available to them, save them money, save them time. They should learn how to do this. And I think like it was just people were kind of lazy before. They didn't want to do clip art, they didn't want to learn how to put together lessons, they didn't want to do that kind of work because they didn't have time, but now AI simplifies it and and streamlines it. So, how soon until just everyone's gonna do it and then it loses its value? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Well, and that goes back to like what is the point of education? Because I think a lot of kids they get an assignment from a teacher, and it's kind of like I could make a use AI to do this assignment. What's the point of it? And honestly, I when AI, when ChatGPT first came out, remember like three or four years ago. Um, we can make this episode two parts because we have a lot to say, okay. But um, let's just make it a two-parter because I know we're going past our time. But um what was I? Oh, uh I said ways that AI is going to impact education positively. Teachers can't just give assignments out, like the busy work stuff, it doesn't work anymore. And I'm happy because you have to actually do things that are truly engaging kids' minds. You know, like teachers have to rethink how am I going to engage my students' minds and not just give them busy work anymore, um, which is hard for teachers because busy work can be easy for the teacher and the kid. But like if you're in a classroom where everyone's the teacher's using AI to create assignments, and then the students are using AI to like complete the assignments, no one's actually doing any real learning or thinking. And so we have to start getting more creative about how we're doing that.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

And every everything I do in my classes, I do have a thousand students a week that I teach, everything is discussion. And that's one thing I made a transition on in my lesson plans this year is admin wanted me to be giving out, you know, assessments, like written assessments. And I'm just like, to me, it's like, what is the point of that? We are we've lost the art of discussion. We've lost the art of being able to talk to each other and listen and hold information and take turns. Like that's what we've lost. So I I have been refusing to do anything on paper because I also feel like if I gave out a report or something, kids could just use the internet and AI to fill out all the questions. But you know what's really challenging and hard for them is to stop what they're doing and look at another person and talk to them. It's like pulling teeth. It's so hard. Everything I do is discussion-based because I really think that's that's the direction that we're gonna have to go a little bit as teachers. And it can be very awkward and weird because kids say inappropriate things and we can't control everything that comes out of their mouth, and it's noisy and it's kind of chaotic and it's unpredictable because that's human nature. And I feel like school has just been this thing to stifle human nature, right? Like because it's messy and it's unorganized, and people say things that are inappropriate and weird and obscure, vulgar, right? And we keep trying to stop that in school, and that's why we hand them the busy work, that's why we give them the stuff that you're talking about. But I feel like it's really gonna have to go back to, you know, good old-fashioned, like pen and paper just doesn't even exist.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Well, I think pen and paper, a lot of teachers, that's what they're doing these days, like taking tests and writing essays using pen and paper, like everything's going back to basics, and everyone's talking about how kids don't know how to socialize anymore. So discussion and all the messiness, it's a good thing, isn't it? Like, I feel like it's kind of good.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

I don't know, but I'm not in the classroom. So as a teacher, you have to sit with so much discomfort, you know. Like, I'm right now I'm doing Black History Month, and oh, some of the stuff that the students say are so cringy, and I just wanna I just wanna stop them, you know, and I want to correct their con their little conversations because it's just like I mean, the things that come out of their mouth is shocking and racist and rude, and you're just like uh you're you're freaking out as an ethical adult. You're just like, oh my gosh, this is going off the charts, but I still think it's better than just handing them like worksheets that I'm really not gonna grade or look at.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Yeah, well, and also you could use AI to navigate those um like the things kids say. Like, I I feel like there's lots of canned actually. Uh, my autism slideshow, all of my slides have discussion prompts and you know, think, pair, share. It's all discussion. So I I yeah, I I don't know. Like, in a way, I feel like it's kind of good um that kids are learning how to have discussions and and disagree.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

But how many teachers are doing that right now? How many teachers are leaning into the discussion-based model of of this? And I mean, because all the school districts are forcing people to use canned curriculum. Canned curriculum does not lean well on discussion. I don't know. Yeah, that's a different debate.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

It is a different debate, and I I but I do think that um I don't know. I I do think I'm gonna sell these slides.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Well, I'm glad we came to this conclusion. Oh, you know what I want to end with is like, okay, so you didn't answer my question. Well, I mean, I I don't know. I don't know. I guess I'll just see how I'll see how much money you make from them before I decide.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Yeah, if you like all of a sudden become a millionaire, then I'll hate you. Okay, so I want to end with this, like, just kind of like I went to go see this movie this weekend called Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Die, and I told Amanda all about it. And it's really about AI sort of like ruining the world. And I mean, I do think that teachers are a big connector. And to keep that in mind in your teacher business, like AI is kind of taking over things where people really can get absorbed in like video games and iPods and things that they're doing. I mean, they can lose their whole life into this, but teachers like they are the person that could keep connections going between human beings, like in a satisfying and gratifying way, so we don't completely lose ourselves. And I just think you should always keep that human element in mind as a teacher business owner, like, even though a lot of your work is on the computer and maybe you're using AI to help you with that work now. Like, just keep in mind that like we still need teachers and classrooms and kids interacting with each other. And I still think it's a positive thing for society right now, even though I don't agree with everything that happens in schools, but I still think teachers are like they're like a bridge between like people just being singular, you know, objects dealing like with technology, because really kids could just teach themselves on their iPads all day long. But a teacher is the bridge between kids, right? We're like a connector, we like connect people, it's so important. So, like what you're doing as a teacher entrepreneur is you're helping the teacher connect more people in the world, you're influencing all of these teachers in classrooms. And even though you're behind your computer going like this all day, you're super important. Like to help the teacher is to help the world uh survive this AI because we're really gonna need it.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

I agree completely. And I also think that like I wonder if we're gonna see more kind of outdoor schools, you know, because I think that kids and teachers could really benefit from just being outside more, you know. And don't you feel that sometimes in your own body when you're on your computer going like this? And I'm like, I gotta go outside. I got, I mean, it's raining today. I'm gonna go outside with my umbrella and my dog.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

I think you're really good at uh connecting to nature. And that's you know, they say that like one of the things like when you're when you're suffering, when you're feeling symptoms of depression, anxiety, loneliness, whatever fill-in-the-blank mental condition you're going through. Every self-help book and every article I've ever Googled is like go outside, feel the air on your cheeks, feel the ground beneath your feet, like connect to nature in some way. So, I mean, I do think that's gonna be a big part of this. Like, one of my favorite picture books is called Unplugged, and it's about just unplugging and going outside and playing. I mean, that was like my whole childhood. I was not sitting inside of a house all day. I was outside like on a bike and running and jumping and playing. That was my whole life. And so, like, I feel so bad for kids right now because they're not really getting that so much. But again, that's something that teachers can remind kids of like the art of playing, the beautifulness of being outside, no matter where you live. We still have an outside world to go to. I know this is sounding really dreary, but if you've been consuming the content I have lately, it would make total sense. But you're so good at that. So every time I talk to Amanda, she like prioritizes outside time, walking, spending time with her dog, you know, taking her child on walks. Sounds kind of bad. But you know what I mean? Like you always and you always feel so much more connected to the world after you've been outside. Like it, it it really does help a lot. So, and I do think that we could do a whole episode on how being in touch with nature could help a teacher entrepreneur who's maybe stuck inside a lot on their computer, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:41

Yeah, yeah. It it helps a lot. I I feel like I've been forced, you know, when really bad things happen, good thing, there's always something good that comes of it. There really is. Like, even just when someone dies, like you realize how much that person meant to you. You know, sometimes people feel this like really this sense of like euphoria, which is weird, like you have serious grief, but you also have these like feelings of of connection with other people who are mourning. I don't know. I just I do think that AI is scary and it's confusing and it's stressful, but I also think that because this is such a complicated topic for kids and adults, you know, that there are good things that can come from it too. Like, I need to turn this stuff off. I need to go back to basics, right? Like get outside, pick up my pen or pencil and write on a notebook paper, have discussions that are hard, you know. Like I do think that AI because when you get too much of something, I think all of us naturally turn away from it eventually, you know?

SPEAKER_01 37:52

I think so.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Yeah, I don't know. But I think this is a good two-party.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Yeah, I think this was a great two-part series, and I hope somebody got something out of it.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

Just besides us. At least a little laugh.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

Yeah.

unknown 38:07

All right.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Namaste? Namaste.

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